Comments on: Commentary: The City Council Election started last week! http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/ The West Ranch Beacon is an online community publication serving West Ranch, Castaic, Val Verde and the entire Santa Clarita Valley. Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:07:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: The West Ranch Beacon – News & Commentary for the Santa Clarita Valley » Commentary: Bringing Clarity to the Immigration Discussion is easy with the Facts! http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-38129 The West Ranch Beacon – News & Commentary for the Santa Clarita Valley » Commentary: Bringing Clarity to the Immigration Discussion is easy with the Facts! Mon, 08 Feb 2010 16:02:17 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-38129 [...] week in my commentary I wrote about illegal immigration and the fact that many of the City of Santa Clarita Council [...] [...] week in my commentary I wrote about illegal immigration and the fact that many of the City of Santa Clarita Council [...]

]]> By: SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Activity Without Accomplishment: Illegal Immigration as a City Council Issue http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-38100 SCVTalk.com » Blog Archive » Activity Without Accomplishment: Illegal Immigration as a City Council Issue Mon, 08 Feb 2010 05:58:35 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-38100 [...] town, Mr. Bossert goes so far as to implore attendees of the next CC meeting to “ask the question again during the public [...] [...] town, Mr. Bossert goes so far as to implore attendees of the next CC meeting to “ask the question again during the public [...]

]]> By: admin http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37792 admin Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:42:30 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37792 Tim, I was born a Catholic; my wife and children are Jewish; my mother-in-law is Jewish. We practice and observe all the holidays throughout the year for both religions. But that is all irrelevant to the discussion. Unfortunately you would rather focus in on anything other than the real topic discussed in my commentary; illegal immigration. It appears that you would rather brand anyone that speaks out about a group that is blatantly breaking the law as “racists” and/or “bigots”. It is truly sad that you are incapable of having a real engaging discussion about illegal immigration. The facts are very clear: 1. There are people that are coming to this Country illegally. They are breaking existing laws that were passed over the years that lays out a process for citizenship. Laws and processes were made to be followed not ignored or only followed by some and not others. 2. Meanwhile there are plenty of good, hard working individuals that do come to this Country legally and follow the rules and laws and became productive members of our society. 3. Last year Los Angeles County spent well over $1 Billion dollars of our tax dollars supplying medical, social and educational services to people that are here illegally! Multiple that Billion dollar number by many Counties across California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida and a myriad of other states and it quickly adds up to real money! 4. Personally, I would much rather see my tax dollars be used for people that here legally that need help. I would much rather see my tax dollars used to enforce the current laws so that we are not viewed as some gullible rubes that can be taken advantage of by anyone that wants to enter this Country illegally. None of that makes me insensitive, a racist or a bigot. What that says is that I am the product of immigrates that came to this Country legally a century ago through Ellis Island; who learned the language and made their children learn the language; who worked hard and endured hardships early on to save for a better life; and who ultimately made successes out of themselves not from handouts or charity but from lift-yourself-up-by-the-boot-straps hard work. America is the land of opportunity and there are countless success stories to prove that fact. Many of those stories start out with some arriving in this Country as an immigrant with little money or material possessions to their name. The one thing that they all have in common is a dream, a burning desire to succeed and the sweat equity to invest in themselves which includes becoming a citizen legally. Focus on the real issues and stop trying to deflect from the facts by labeling or pigeon-holing people as something they’re not. Your smugness is only exceeded by the sheer ignorance you have displayed in your comments. Thank you for reading The Beacon! -Dave Tim,
I was born a Catholic; my wife and children are Jewish; my mother-in-law is Jewish. We practice and observe all the holidays throughout the year for both religions. But that is all irrelevant to the discussion.
Unfortunately you would rather focus in on anything other than the real topic discussed in my commentary; illegal immigration. It appears that you would rather brand anyone that speaks out about a group that is blatantly breaking the law as “racists” and/or “bigots”. It is truly sad that you are incapable of having a real engaging discussion about illegal immigration.
The facts are very clear:
1. There are people that are coming to this Country illegally. They are breaking existing laws that were passed over the years that lays out a process for citizenship. Laws and processes were made to be followed not ignored or only followed by some and not others.
2. Meanwhile there are plenty of good, hard working individuals that do come to this Country legally and follow the rules and laws and became productive members of our society.
3. Last year Los Angeles County spent well over $1 Billion dollars of our tax dollars supplying medical, social and educational services to people that are here illegally! Multiple that Billion dollar number by many Counties across California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, Florida and a myriad of other states and it quickly adds up to real money!
4. Personally, I would much rather see my tax dollars be used for people that here legally that need help. I would much rather see my tax dollars used to enforce the current laws so that we are not viewed as some gullible rubes that can be taken advantage of by anyone that wants to enter this Country illegally.
None of that makes me insensitive, a racist or a bigot. What that says is that I am the product of immigrates that came to this Country legally a century ago through Ellis Island; who learned the language and made their children learn the language; who worked hard and endured hardships early on to save for a better life; and who ultimately made successes out of themselves not from handouts or charity but from lift-yourself-up-by-the-boot-straps hard work. America is the land of opportunity and there are countless success stories to prove that fact. Many of those stories start out with some arriving in this Country as an immigrant with little money or material possessions to their name. The one thing that they all have in common is a dream, a burning desire to succeed and the sweat equity to invest in themselves which includes becoming a citizen legally.
Focus on the real issues and stop trying to deflect from the facts by labeling or pigeon-holing people as something they’re not. Your smugness is only exceeded by the sheer ignorance you have displayed in your comments.
Thank you for reading The Beacon!
-Dave

]]> By: Timothy Myers http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37765 Timothy Myers Tue, 02 Feb 2010 17:59:12 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37765 So you are a lapsed Catholic? So you are a lapsed Catholic?

]]> By: admin http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37760 admin Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:13:54 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37760 Full disclosure, I was born a Catholic and have no problem disagreeing with positions that the Church takes on various issues. That is not Catholic bashing by any means, that is free thinking!! Full disclosure, I was born a Catholic and have no problem disagreeing with positions that the Church takes on various issues. That is not Catholic bashing by any means, that is free thinking!!

]]> By: Timothy Myers http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37759 Timothy Myers Tue, 02 Feb 2010 16:09:20 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37759 Question 2: Since you are not Jewish does that mean you have no empathy for the feelings of our Jewish brothers and sisters when they see John Birch Society members parading in front of our City Hall? Question 2: Since you are not Jewish does that mean you have no empathy for the feelings of our Jewish brothers and sisters when they see John Birch Society members parading in front of our City Hall?

]]> By: Timothy Myers http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37758 Timothy Myers Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:50:17 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37758 Fair enough. Cards on the table. Since you are Catholic bashing its fair to ask what religion you follow, if any. Fair enough. Cards on the table. Since you are Catholic bashing its fair to ask what religion you follow, if any.

]]> By: Chris Sharp http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37756 Chris Sharp Tue, 02 Feb 2010 15:31:11 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37756 I am really interested in Frank Ferry's repeated desire to buty people. Can't we resolve this by casting Mr. Ferry as the gravedigger the next time city council candidate TimBen Boydston produces "Hamlet" at the CTG? I am really interested in Frank Ferry’s repeated desire to buty people. Can’t we resolve this by casting Mr. Ferry as the gravedigger the next time city council candidate TimBen Boydston produces “Hamlet” at the CTG?

]]> By: admin http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37722 admin Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:33:37 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37722 Ah, you see Tim I am not of the Jewish faith. Nor do I have any newfound “buds” in the Birchers. By inferring both you are showcasing your own ignorance by making such unfounded (not backed up by fact) assumptions. Ah, you see Tim I am not of the Jewish faith. Nor do I have any newfound “buds” in the Birchers. By inferring both you are showcasing your own ignorance by making such unfounded (not backed up by fact) assumptions.

]]> By: Timothy Myers http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/2010/02/commentary-the-city-council-election-started-last-week/comment-page-1/#comment-37721 Timothy Myers Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:21:51 +0000 http://westranchbeacon.com/blog/?p=20277#comment-37721 Dave: The religion of my Jewish neighbors who were not real happy that the Birchers showed up to defend St. Bob last Tuesday. Luckily, those folks have some really militant Lutheran and Roman Catholic neighbors who won't tolerate that kind of bigotry and are ready to crack some heads if your newfound "buds" from the Birchers don't crawl back under their rock! Dave:

The religion of my Jewish neighbors who were not real happy that the Birchers showed up to defend St. Bob last Tuesday. Luckily, those folks have some really militant Lutheran and Roman Catholic neighbors who won’t tolerate that kind of bigotry and are ready to crack some heads if your newfound “buds” from the Birchers don’t crawl back under their rock!

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